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Terry Grzyb
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First Ranger drive!

Thanks for getting me in Chris.

Hey all, I thought I would post my first automotive ride on this site!!

Before I started, I opened up the stop on my TB butterfly 2 turns to help my idle.
Got the producer fired up. Started the engine on gas. Switched over to woodgas about 3min after lightoff. Drove into town about seven miles away. All I could get was 60 mph. About halfway home I noticed a wisp of smoke from the bed so I pulled over to investigate. A little smoldering of some bad insulation I once used I guessed, so keep on going! About a half mile from home I had a good amount of smoke now. Wow I’m glad to be almost home! When I shut her down I got some flame up from the insulation. Also,Looking underneath at my ash bin I see the paint has burnt off. It didn’t do that on the other firings, but then I didn’t have my foot into the throttle either. So I’ll be pulling the gasifier out of the bed to do an inspection.

Chris Saenz
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Looks good Terry! Neat

Looks good Terry! Neat looking pipes around the hopper, is that the cooler?

Terry Grzyb
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Yes Chris they are. It is a

Yes Chris they are. It is a GEK knockoff. So after the preheat tubes and the cooler I had just a slight temp increase at the filter. It was upper 30's durring the ride though.

Bruce French
Congrats Terry. Hope you get

Congrats Terry. Hope you get that air leak fixed. I am thinking of selling my Ranger and getting a small truck with a V8. I would like to have the extended cab. Is yours a V6 or 4 cyl. Thanks.

David Baillie
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Looks great Terry. Any

Looks great Terry. Any chance you could add some pictures and details about the throttle arrangement and the modifications under the hood? I have more or less settled on a ranger as my woodgas vehicle. First one will be charcoal (blasphemy I know) but I'll work up to raw wood. Would love to know what you did after the gasifier to feed it in and control it. Love the cooling tubes looks so pro...
David

Terry Grzyb
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I just did a pressure test

I just did a pressure test now that it has cooled down. Couldn't find anything at the ash bin.
There is a little ash in the slipped char. I don't get any in my lawnmower. Before I pull out the gasifier I think I'll try smaller nozzles. I might have too much combustion going on at WOT. I think I'll try 85%.

Hey Bruce I'ts a 2.5 4 banger. Double spark plugs baby!!

Terry Grzyb
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Hi David, The next nice day I

Hi David, The next nice day I get I'll snap under the hood. I'm using the same throttle and air intake. The gas combines with the air into a mini cyclone right before the TB.

Wayne Keith
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Hey Terry Nice Looking ride

Hey Terry Nice Looking ride you have there. Hope to get to meet you up in Indiana this spring
BBB
Wayne

Ronald Lemler
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Hi Terry; Congratulations You

Hi Terry; Congratulations You have a nice looking unit,60MPH doesnt seem too bad for a 4 cylinder,but it bprobably has more potential. Sean took me for a ride in Dec and if I remember right it was a 2.3L and it went 65-70MPH I am still working on my big truck if it is feeling good it will go up to 65 but usually 55-60 it has a 300-6cylinder so I should be able to do better just about done with runniojng the 3" line to the carb then Ill be ready to race Wayne :) .
I hope you can drive it down in May.
Ron L

John Wells
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That looks really cool!!

That looks really cool!!

Terry Grzyb
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Wayne, Ron, Indiana is the

Wayne, Ron, Indiana is the main thing on my mind. It's going to be fun looking at everyone's rigs!
Ron, I did design it for 60mph. Only now I'm hoping now for 75ish. Then maybe I would be able to pull my lawnmower to the meet.
It's a fantasy right now, but I'm going to try!
(4 banger says "I think I can!! I think I can!!)

Terry Grzyb
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OK here are the under hood

OK here are the under hood pics.
I was able to take her for a ride with the smaller nozzles. I ended up going down 70% to .265" I figure start small and go up from here. I was pulling harder on the gasifier (25"). I could barely reach 55mph. Now to open her up a little and try it again. btw mid 30's and started to flurry on the way home.

Wayne Keith
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Hey Terry,

Hey Terry,

Real neat set up you have there. It looks factory!

BBB
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Chris Saenz
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Love the license plate Terry!

Love the license plate Terry! Does "Kawbm" stand for for carbon or Ka Boom? :P

Terry Lavictoire
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Very nicely done!

Very nicely done!
Keep the pics coming.
TerryL

Terry Grzyb
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Thank you Wayne, a little

Thank you Wayne, a little paint blends it right in.

Chris, It is actually from a small clip from worldstoves that I've seen.
Kickin Ass With Bio Mass!
Believe me, when I've overcome a gasification problem I shout it out!!
As soon as I wrote it out I did see the Ka-boom similarity.

Thank you Terry, good to hear from you.

Bruce French
Did you make the butterfly

Did you make the butterfly valves to fit inside the pvc for the gas supply? Nice setup I really like that. What a difference in the engine configuration.

Terry Grzyb
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Yes Bruce, one valve is in

Yes Bruce, one valve is in the pvc. For the intake I made a collar to fit the id and put a butterfly in that.

David Siedschlag
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Terry,

Terry,
Nice work. Everything does look "factory" so to speak. I have been looking at Rangers to convert. The ext-cab with the 4 cyl is somewhat rare to come by. What year is yours, and how many miles are on it?
Keep up the good stuff!
David

Terry Grzyb
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David S, This is a '99 and

David S, This is a '99 and about 135k. When I couldn't find a Dakota I decided on the rangers because they are bigger than the S-10's. I wanted the 3 liter engine to convert but all the websites said the 4 cyl had the same power. Also there's bound to be more room to run plumbing with the 4.

Terry Grzyb
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Sorry I haven't updated in a

Sorry I haven't updated in a while, I've been having too much fun!! lol!
I've got over 200 WG miles on her now and she's my transportation to work.
There are still some bugs to work out, but not bad enough to stop the tires rolling!

Ronald Lemler
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HI Terry ; that is good news!

HI Terry ; that is good news!! What is your top speed with the little 4 cyl so far??

Chris Saenz
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Great! Post a video!

Great! Post a video!

Terry Grzyb
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Ron, the other day I decided

Ron, the other day I decided to go for a speed run. As I was approaching 65 I passed a gumball tucked behind some brush. Yikes! Better do this another day! Short answer is I don’t know. I can do 65 consistently. I haven’t messed with the timing. Also a 4.10 rear might help my 5speed.(3.70 now).

Chris, People have mentioned I should start videos. Do you have a camera recommendation?

Chris Saenz
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Terry,

Terry,

The Flip MinoHD is a good choice. They are discontinued so you will have to get a refurbished one. Wayne got his for $40, don't see them quite that cheap now but look around on Ebay.

Wayne Keith
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Hey Terry ,

Hey Terry ,

Sounds like you are making progress!!!

I hope you will soon forget which side your gasoline tank is on.

BBB

Mike LaRosa
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Terry Grzyb, I love that

Terry Grzyb, I love that cooler ... Doesn't get any better than that .. Mike LaRosa

Terry Grzyb
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Thanks Chris, I'll look into

Thanks Chris, I'll look into that. It seems that a lot of the videos out there are just re-do's of what other people have done. I wouldn't want to contribute to "more of the same".

Funny you should mention it Wayne. I think about the gas tank quite a bit, seeing that there is a gasifier mounted above it!!
I do have shielding for the heat, but you never know.........

Thanks Mike, I wanted to get away from so many welded seams. This does the trick, plus it saves space!

Chris Saenz
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Terry,

Terry,

More of the same, you mean "here's my first run / testing out the new gasifier" sort of stuff? I agree, there's enough of that around.

There is a noticeable lack of "day in the life" type videos from successful woodgassers, i.e. how do you normally use the vehicle, and what's your procedures for doing it. Chopping wood, startup, shutdown, cleanout, etc. Videos of you driving or your gasifier strutting it's stuff are great too. I have a feeling there's folks out there who still doubt this technology because very few are showing how it can be used to replace gasoline in your day-to-day usage. Most of the folks making videos are still tinkering, which is understandable.

John Stout
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Chris, speaking of videos...

Chris, speaking of videos....Wait...
Speaking of web sites, this one is BEAUTIFUL! Everybody's projects seem to come alive. It's almost as much fun as wood gassing.
Now, speaking of videos, I have posted one that's not too normal, Maybe a little fun to watch. It's even got some wood chopping in it. Its supposed to be about "wood gas philosophy" whatever that is...lol
Check it out http://youtu.be/f3wpoCOC1us
John

Chris Saenz
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Nice video John! Exactly what

Nice video John! Exactly what I mean.

I saw your older video a while back when I was scouring Youtube, and wondered if you were still at it. And now you have a van! Good work. Start a thread or something where we can get a better look at your projects!

Wayne Keith
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Hey John,

Hey John,

Thanks for the video, keep them coming.

It is a grin when the rubber hits the road.

BBB

Terry Grzyb
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I'm still trying to work out

I'm still trying to work out a good idle. Works wonderfully one day, crappy the next(stalling, or over reving). This is even with gasoline. Sean from Florida mentioned to me to use a separate choke cable for the idle but since I have great days sometimes I would like to work this out without another control in the cab.

Terry Grzyb
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OK, I threw a timing light on

OK, I threw a timing light on her to see what I was working with.
Warmed up on idle with petrol I had 8 deg advanced.
Switched over to WG and it popped up to 26!
Here is the funny thing. switched back to petrol and it stayed at 26.
Restarted the motor and it's now back to 8.

It is strange that it can idle fine on petrol at 26 deg advanced but it won't get there unless WG coaxes it.

Steve Unruh
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Hi TerryG

Hi TerryG
A late model Ford system like yours controls Idle speed through a combination of ignition timing, allowed injector pulse width turned ON time, and variable idle air bypassed around the closed throttle plate by the IAC (idle air control valve) - silver can shape held on by two bolt screws on the fire wall side of the throttle body. Computer has a target engine idle speed it wants to see and will change any one, or all of these as needed to reach to reach this target RPM. Also does this to compensates for lighting and AC kick in and out loads.
Woodgas soot very likely building up holding the throttle plate partially open admitting unwanted air and/or the IAC valve tip getting carboned sooted up or the idle air bypass passageways in the throttle body caked shut. Drives the computer to jack around with the ignition timing trying to reach it's target RPM. It is a common normal 30-60K service item to have to remove and clean these with a tooth brush and throttle body/carb cleaner spray.
Or sooted up on one run of raw uncooled, unfiltered woodgas as I have done!!
You must keep the cleaner spray out of the electrical portions of the IAC and the throttle position sensor or it will kill them. So best to remove and manually clean with these held up.
Push come to shove you can with a risk pinhole the air boot to allow can wand spraying directly into the throttle body accross the throttle plate and into the idle air inlet passage. Plug the hole with a sheet metal screw or dab of engine grade black silicon. Done it. Works. But too much spraying and you will wash years of accumulated intake crank case gook from the PCV system into the combustion chambers and foul out your 8 spark plugs.
Ha! Ha! Only the 8 spark plugs a unique Ford/Nissan issue. As a total air flow sensed system wondering how /if your gas valve is able to complety shut off flow all flow in? I am concerned about engine shut off woodgases backing up and fouling your air flow sensor on top of the air cleaner.
All other SEFI vehicles will have this same throttle plate/idle air coking problem. Very bad some times 2-3 times a year cleaning issue on worn out oil burning vehicles.
Regards
Steve Unruh

Regards
Steve Unruh

Bruce French
Amen Steve Unruh.........the

Amen Steve Unruh.........the computer gets very confused with wood gas and the aromatics left behind by wood gas. OBD2 may not be able to be modified to run on both. I have my Ranger running good on wood gas and I have tried all sorts of different things and still trying.

Terry Grzyb
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Thanks for responding Steve,

Thanks for responding Steve,
I am aware of the IAC problems. I cleaned it out just before putting WG to it so I knew I was starting clean. My throttle plate moves effortlessly, not sure the condition of the IAC.
I'm pretty sure I'm not getting any backflow at shutdown. I always switch over to petrol at the end of a run.
What I have found out today is if I have a runaway idle, I'll slow the motor down with the clutch and then it will stay slow untill I blip the throttle. It's like I'm telling the brain "I want the idle here!"
Who knows how it will act tomarrow?

If the motor can run 26 deg advanced with gasoline, why doesn't it? I would think any brain would first set for optimum timing, then adjust idle from there.

Terry Grzyb
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Took a peek into the throttle

Took a peek into the throttle body today. Yup, there be some carbon down there.
I might try to close off the iac and run by butterfly only.

I know you can't have too much filtration, might be expanding my filter drum.

Mike LaRosa
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Terry, The truck will be

Terry, The truck will be rotten before you even have to begin to worry about that soot .. I had to junk out 3 woodgas vehicles this year .. Ah, life in the salt belt ... Mike

Chris Saenz
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Terry,

Terry,

You are the front page featured project for April. So lets see a video!!

Terry Grzyb
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Thanks for the honor.

Thanks for the honor.
You are really trying to blow my image of being a recluce.

Any way, I tried to film my ride into work today.
What a trainweck!! I don't know how you guys do it.
I need more hands, another body, or a helmet cam!
I'll keep trying.

Terry Grzyb
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Hi all, I just passed 550

Hi all, I just passed 550 miles and I thought I should peek inside the filter to see how it’s looking. I found some small char about .080”dia. to my surprise. I do pull a lot harder on this producer than the other. Even so, I was expecting a lot smaller particles. Looking into the cooling tubes they look pretty clean. Maybe they are getting “char blasted”? Any ways, I need to detatch the cooling tubes to look into my vertical rise. Turns out, it’s about 1/3 full. I’ve considered putting a cyclone or dropout box here, I wanted to wait to see the result. With the cfm going through here, this passage might just stay open, but I feel it does need a little work here.
I want to put slightly finer media into the filter also while I’m at teardown. Sould I double my filter? Decisions, decisions....

Terry Grzyb
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I'm in the process of putting

I'm in the process of putting a cyclone on her. I decided 6.5" dia. I don't have enough height to make it proper, but it's got to be better than nothing.
Terry

Terry Grzyb
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Hey all, I feel like I'm not

Hey all, I feel like I'm not doing project of the month justice.
I've had the cyclone mounted about a week now. I am surprised of the condensate I'm pulling out with it. This is what I was expecting lawn mower to do. So, all my dumps fill at about a hopper's worth. This is fine for me on my everyday driving.
I'm afraid I'll have to get to Argos on petrol though, this engine won't be able to keep up on the interstate pulling the lawnmower and supplies.

David Siedschlag
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Terry,

Terry,
That is great news on the cyclone. Since I last commented, I have picked up a 4cyl Toyota I am going to do. I got the wiring done this weekend to shut off the pump, and the injectors, works great. I was eyeing up your pics of how you did your mixing under the hood. You are running two valves besides the throttle body right? I assume the one in the gas line is to shut off pulling air from the gasifier side when your running on gas. The one between your mixing chamber and stock air cleaner is for blending off the woodgas correct? Does your ranger have a MAF in the air cleaner housing? That is where mine is. Toyota calls it an AFM (air flow meter) I am just trying to wrap my brain around how to pull it all together on my truck. Thanks in advace for the input. Can't wait to meet up in Indy.
David S.

Robin Redmond
speaking of soot filters, i

speaking of soot filters, i have been wondering recently if one used those oil furnace filters, maybe spraying them with a vegetable oil spray to make them especially sticky might be a workable approach. they are fairly cheap and could easily be installed in multiple layers, removed and replaced, etc., and inserted between the hay filter and the engine? (i'm still a long ways from building my first gasifier, but i'm still thinking about all the issues). would this help any or just add too much resistance to the flow of gas?

Terry Grzyb
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David S,

David S,
I know what you are going through. It's a LOT of planning before even thinking about building. You will do fine. You know exactly how my valveing is set up.

Robin,
I assume you are talking about air filters? If so, I don't think they would be fine enough. Some use baghouse filters which have fabric for the filtration. Also the cardboard would have to be pulled off(it would get soggy). You don't know till you try it!
Terry

Terry Grzyb
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So I pulled out some char to

So I pulled out some char to see how my hearth is doing. You can't tell so much by the picture but I've got some warping going on below the nozzels.
If I straighten it out, it will just warp again. I might cut off the top hourglass.
Maybe I won't do anything but load the char back up and be on my way!

Sean French
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Yikes Terry,

Yikes Terry,
Well I have been here before more than once. I don't know for sure I think I am the one that has built,tested,operated and blown up more gasifiers in 2 years than anyone one else in Woodgas. I am on gasifier 8 now 5 of them bit the dirt to lack of experience and poor design. 3 of them are still running today the ranger has over 5000 miles on it now my f150 v6 that I do haul trailers with at highway speeds has 4500 miles both have no signs anywhere of firetube damage. I urge you not to try and break my record for being the fastest gasifier builder/breaker. Move your project to the builders section the information you need to address these issues is there. Regards Sean French

Terry Grzyb
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Thanks for the reply Sean,

Thanks for the reply Sean,
I want to keep this thread public, so sorry it's staying here. You fellows on the "inside" sure know how to tempt a person. Following a link that says premium membership required sure does make one reconsider.

This is only #2 for me after great success with my lawnmower. Vehicle producers are quite a bit different. I realize there is oxidation too close to my funnel. Not wanting to tear it apart, I do have limited options.
Terry

Bruce French
Terry,

Terry,

It is difficult to watch someone suffer needlessly. The money spent so get on the inside is way offset by one or 2 tanks of gas let alone the time. It costs me $60 to fill up my Ranger. If you have a steady wood supply with Wayne's gasifier you will drive on wood everyday without much headaches. Your hearth looks like it will fail if you keep pushing the truck hard.

We found out you can't repair that steel once it gets recrystallized. Distortion is the first sign.

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